Standing-up to Dangerous Indian Religious Cults that Exploited the Seekers of Truth

You have come here to learn something, to go deep into your experiences of the knowledge of your roots. Shri Krishna has said that this is a tree which is upside down, the roots are upwards and the leaves are outwards. In the same way, you know that Kundalini really, when it rises in the Sahasrara or above Sahasrara, then you start getting the feeling of Kundalini.

So, one has to understand that when we are now getting subtler and subtler and trying to feel the Kundalini, we should try to get out of materialistic attitude and materialistic viewpoint and materialistic sticking point.

I had met one guru before, because you know I went to all of them. And I asked one of them, I said, "Why do you take money, so much money from these people who are western people? So much, why do you take and just they become beggars, absolutely, like beggars they become because you charge them so much and so heavily?" And he told me that unless and until you make them beggars they will never take to God. They are too rich to be near God.

I mean, this explanation I just could not understand, it was absurd, I could not understand how can this explanation have any proper meaning that you should make people beggars and then they be nearer to God. I said, "In India we have many beggars, do you think those beggars are nearer to God?

So he said, "No, otherwise, you see, they get stuck up with their money and you must just make them absolutely without any money, money-less.

So, I mean, of course to such a stupid person what can you talk? What can you convince? I couldn't say to him, "Then why are you taking the money? Then he would have said, "Because I'm detached." You see, anything one can say like that if you start like that you cannot just stop it.

But one has to understand that materialism has gone into our roots and if we have to clear out our roots we must get out of materialism. That's important, but that does not in any way mean that you torture your body or anything, I don't mean that. But what I'm saying, your attention. So now, when we are dealing with our roots we have to be in the center, in the core. In the core  we are taking in, sucking in the feeling or you can say the... Feeling and awareness put together, what do you say to that in English, is there any word? Is there any word which makes awareness and feeling put together? Is there Gavin? [answer: Experience] Oh, yeah, experience, you can say the experience into your awareness and feeling. You have to get the experience into your awareness and feeling."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

January 7, 1983

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Rahuri, Maharashtra,  India

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That’s first thing I’ll tell you. But I will tell you to ask yourself or ask anyone, “What has he done for anyone?” Has he been able to give you any power or anyone the power, all right? Now I can tell you all these who are here who are realized souls who are here, they are just like you to look at. Of course from face you can make out that they are very relaxed and very happy people. But they can cure people, they can give realization to people, they understand everything that is wrong with you and with themselves also. So what has he done to your awareness? Nothing.

Now, his disciples, what have they achieved? You ask them, “Where is the Kundalini of this person? What is the problem of this lady or what is weighing upon her mind?” They won’t be able to say. If you cannot even make out what’s wrong with another person or with yourself how are you going to help? All such people, what do they do? Let us see, simple thing is that they can mesmerize you. You may feel happy for a while, it’s just like drinking, you know, if you drink you feel happy. But by drinking what have you achieved? Have you become masters? All of them are like that, you see and this gentleman, so obviously, because he asked for Rolls Royce. What is a Rolls Royce for a prophet? I mean what does it matter? (Shri Mataji laughing) You see My point is? This so obvious, I mean this is so logically obvious. First of all anybody who takes money from you is a parasite, simple as that. And to ask for Rolls Royce – of all the things? So you see? You have got Christ, you can see from Christ’s life. Will He care for your Rolls Royces?

To such a person – He’s a king, He doesn’t bother. Whether he has a Rolls Royce or not, whether he sleeps on the ground or not, makes no difference. Such a person doesn’t care for anything. Because he is in comfort, he has got his own comfort. He is a man of self-respect. Do you think will He ask for anything whatsoever? I mean it’s so obvious, for you people it is so obvious. But when I talk to some people of this guru, the particular one you are telling me, they said, “Mother we give him the metal and he gives us the Spirit.” This – can there be an exchange? Can you purchase your Spirit? Use your logic, all right? God has given us brains to understand, logically we can reach there. Can you – can you purchase, can you purchase the Spirit? Isn’t it so simple? We can’t pay for it, My child. We cannot.

If you want to give Me a flower, all right. Is just an expression of your love, and that’s all. But you can’t purchase Me, you can’t. Your love can purchase Me, all right, that’s different. But you can’t purchase Me with metal and money, can you? What is a Rolls Royce? I mean, I don’t understand what are all these crowns and things. What are they good for? They don’t give you joy. Go and ask the people who wear the crowns.

Yes, the other day I was with Mrs Thatcher, poor thing, she was so miserable. (Laughter) Yes, she was, you know. I tried to sort of put her down, her vibrations, she was very miserable. We were just across the table talking to each other. And what I was doing was to balance her, poor thing, she was, she’s very upset. So you must understand you are too simple people, you are seekers of ancient times. You are not seekers of today; you are seekers of ancient times. And this time has been promised to you before also. And now you have to find it. Now, you must keep your logic straight forward. I mean, anybody who asks for Rolls Royce, I mean this is one of the stark examples I would say, cannot be any guru.

Is a stark [INDISTINCT: empow?], absolutely, one of those. But there are subtler ones, he’s not so subtle, you will get out of him, in no time, I know, all of you. But the subtler ones are even worse. Some of them may not even ask for money – may not. I don’t know of any but there may be some. Because I heard about someone who doesn’t now take money, in India. He had made money here and now he’s gone to India and he doesn’t take money from them. But the one who has really not taken money, one person whom I know, has been using women. He’s not interested in money part; he’s using money – women. You see, so this is what it is; you must understand. His interest is not in your Spirit, but in your purse and in your women? Imagine. How can holiness be combined with these dirty habits of people? That means they themselves are under the control of their desires, which are anti-God.

These are all anti-God activities. And you people being so simple-hearted, I tell you, you are so simple-hearted. If you tell an Indian that their guru takes a Rolls Royce he’ll say, “haa…” [Shri Mataji makes a dismissive gesture]. They immediately they will cancel. They know all this kind, how can it be? Nobody would give to him… any guru in India. Gurus have to pay people sometimes (Shri Mataji laughing), first to entice them. Westernized Indians is different, but those who are real Indians, they, they, you see they are, people live with the mothers and they know, “What is what,” you know, nobody can befool them, they are very practical people.

- H. H. Shri Mataji May 20th 1982, Brighton, UK