You have come here to learn something, to go deep into your experiences of the knowledge of your roots. Shri Krishna has said that this is a tree which is upside down, the roots are upwards and the leaves are outwards. In the same way, you know that Kundalini really, when it rises in the Sahasrara or above Sahasrara, then you start getting the feeling of Kundalini.
So, one has to understand that when we are now getting subtler and subtler and trying to feel the Kundalini, we should try to get out of materialistic attitude and materialistic viewpoint and materialistic sticking point.
I had met one guru before, because you know I went to all of them. And I asked one of them, I said, "Why do you take money, so much money from these people who are western people? So much, why do you take and just they become beggars, absolutely, like beggars they become because you charge them so much and so heavily?" And he told me that unless and until you make them beggars they will never take to God. They are too rich to be near God.
I mean, this explanation I just could not understand, it was absurd, I could not understand how can this explanation have any proper meaning that you should make people beggars and then they be nearer to God. I said, "In India we have many beggars, do you think those beggars are nearer to God?"
So he said, "No, otherwise, you see, they get stuck up with their money and you must just make them absolutely without any money, moneyless."
So, I mean, of course to such a stupid person what can you talk? What can you convince? I couldn't say to him, "Then why are you taking the money? Then he would have said, "Because I'm detached." You see, anything one can say like that if you start like that you cannot just stop it.
But one has to understand that materialism has gone into our roots and if we have to clear out our roots we must get out of materialism. That's important, but that does not in any way mean that you torture your body or anything, I don't mean that. But what I'm saying, your attention. So now, when we are dealing with our roots we have to be in the center, in the core. In the core we are taking in, sucking in the feeling or you can say the... Feeling and awareness put together, what do you say to that in English, is there any word? Is there any word which makes awareness and feeling put together? Is there Gavin? [answer: Experience] Oh, yeah, experience, you can say the experience into your awareness and feeling. You have to get the experience into your awareness and feeling.
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi January 7, 1983 Talk to Sahaja Yogis India Tour Rahuri, Maharashtra, India
